Yes Flags the internet has great and wonderful information on it and there are some great people here that would be more than willing to share knowledge. But the fact is, that is in NO way a REPLACEMENT for having someone IN THE FIELD with a rookie that actually KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING. You highlighted the point I was making yourself. I wasn't saying uninformed, I was saying INEXPERIENCED. Maybe you should focus a little bit harder on reading yourself Flags and stop trying to push your personal prejudices against Outfitters so hard. It clouds your judgment. And by the way, I am probably one of those non residents you have seen with Elk hanging in camp without an outfitter. But I HAVE EXPERIENCE which has been my point the whole friggin time. Not sending them out uninformed but send them out for the first time or 2 with a guide that knows what to do and can help them get on bulls and can TEACH them. Why would you fight so hard against a rookie having someone in the field with them to help them learn Flags? Just because that teacher is getting paid a fee? You work for free Flags? I sure don't! Now granted I take rookie hunters under the wing all the time. Take them on hog hunts, deer hunts, even a few Elk trips. But that's not what Nick was asking for. He was asking for information to aid in his putting together a trip and for some information on guides and outfitters. Simple and too the point. I'll let you slide on that 10k you owe me because your own highlighted point suggests exactly what I said.