Top, I am not saying the ladder stands are unsafe, I am saying I am not impressed with the quality of those chinzy ladders. I bought a ladderstand, and sold it before I ever put it up after I saw my brother climbing up the ladder tubing to his stand started to bend. He had to get a second brace to put between the ladder and the tree after the company replaced the ladder section that bent to make it safe. Now he is a big boy, but not heavier than the ladderstand instructions said the stand could hold. Nothing wrong with the stand, just the ladder.