With the seat part missing that has some jagged teeth that actually backs up and attaches to the tree, it's not worth much unless a guy knows what he's doing and can fix it up and make it usable and safe. I have to disagree with the "not safe when new" comment though because I have 8 or 9 of them and if used properly they are a lot safer to hunt up in the air out of than a climber stand or a hang on that you have to go up strap on steps or screw-in steps to climb a tree with. Many public properties will not allow screw-in steps and that means you either sit on the ground, use a climber, strap on steps, or one of these. I use a harness and stand on the top of mine when I bow hunt and sit on it when I'm using a rifle. I went to them about 15 years ago and quit using the hang-on stands with screw-in steps for safety reasons as I got into my 50s. When sitting I'm about 17' at shoulder height and when standing about 20-21'.