RR, The one thing that you can not solve with a math calculation, trig, geometry, algebra, or any other equation is the natural movement of a live game animal during the time it takes from trigger break to bullet impact. A relaxed whitetail simply feeding along without a worry in the world can take a step in that amount of time and turn a perfectly placed heart lung shot into a rear gut shot. Now yes sometimes a gut hit deer will simply take a few bounds or even just a couple of steps and bed down. But just about as often they will run for a couple of hundred yards. Now, you have gut shot a deer at ,lets say 700 yards. You know the hole is going to seal up as 99% of gut shots do so NO BLOOD. So now you have to travel 700 yards to where you hit it. Were you able to keep sight of the deer? Maybe, maybe not. Lets assume you couldn't so you will have to rely on trailing. No blood, your screwed and so is that poor creature you just gut shot because you were too damn lazy to get in to a reasonable distance. I don't give two hoots how good a shot you are. You can not control that creatures movements nor can you predict them. I am more than capable of placing 10 out of 10 in the 10 ring at ranges 1000m+ and I absolutely refuse to take a shot past 300 yards on a live big game animal for that one simple reason. You ask for proof when the simple truth is, how many people come on here or even when talking to your face talk about "the poor shots" they made or "brag" about the stupid decisions they made to take a shot at 700 yards? The proof is how many bones are found each year from gut hit deer and elk from people that are just too lazy or have no woodsman skills to get within reasonable shot ranges. I sir have a little more than 40 years hunting under my belt and have had long range experience galore and have very well seen with my own 2 eyes the error of longer than 400 yard shots on live game. You paper targets and gongs DO NOT MOVE in your practice sessions.

So you say my opinion doesn't count? I have seen all this ...Deleted by CalHunter... with my own eyes. I have seen the poor animals days later after suffering horrible and painful long deaths because of shear stupidity and just downright being lazy.

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