I just found out that they discounted my old stand by of Hornady 200grn FMJ-Encapsulated in .452 dia. It was a bone smashing projectile!!! SO!!! I am now in a new projectile hunting mode for both my 45 ACP and 10mm. I am not really kean on using JHP's for I have shot them with them before and had not had very good results. And regular 230grn ball rounds for the .45 just don't impair enough damage, just blow through. BUT!! That was awhile ago. I am now considering using some 180grn Speer Gold Dots or Winch. SilverTips for the 10mm and load to the max. Any ideas for the .45 and thoughts on the choices listed. I really do not want to use XTP's for either as well.