Well, holy canoli, I just read a bit about Winchester's LB shells. I will pick up a box of 4's and 5's and pattern them before season. I really hadn't paid much attention to shell options, other than hevi-shot, in years, because my pattern was excellent with supremes, but I am anxious to see what LB's might offer. And I can pick up a box call to store and maybe I can sell it someday.