Of the bullets currently being sold I agree. But definitely not needed for Deer but I know what you mean. But I think the 230grn Lehigh/Bloodline/Prototype is the best all around muzzleloader bullet atleast for me. The problem is I can't even use it on Elk in Colorado because it only works in the 1/20 twist 45's. I never did or don't remember trying it in the 50cal Ultralite.