I'll tell you what...if you are a guy who says that he does not enjoy shooting a big mature brute of a deer with big antlers you are an absolute liar and you know it. If you can sit there and say that you do not start shaking uncontrollably when a huge buck is coming in you are a liar. I can't stand it when people say that! We are all human and we all want to shoot a big deer. Get over yourself and quit chastising people for wanting to do their best to increase their chances of shooting a big buck by managing the deer the best they can on a free range property. Quit trolling on people's threads OldTimer...it just seems like you look for any angle you can to be negative. This is a free message board and people are going to have different views from yourself. I think there are a lot of people who are tired of your negativity.