Guys, I am confident that the 230 grain bullet and sabot is not too loose--maybe too short but not too loose. I do have some 250 grain Hornady SST's that I can try if I can not get the 230's to do any good. I was going to get the scope in the ball park with the cheap stuff before I tuned it for the SST's. I also have a supply of Pyrodex RS loose powder that I use in a side hammer and some 777 pellets in the 50 grain tubes. I do not think the 60 grain pellets were damaged--at least not while I have owned them. I think the main problem was too much moisture so I will try to fix that first. After that, it will be a powder and bullet change. I did check the mount(one of those Durasights that CVA sells) and the scope(Redfield Revenge Sabot ML). All seems to be tight. This is a nice outfit, I just need to get it to shoot. I do appreciate all of the advice.