Thanks, that sounds like an excellent setup. The vitals sure are bigger when you use a setup that will comfortably blow through a shoulder blade. It makes a huge difference on quartering shots where you either going in a shoulder or out a shoulder.

Its actually hard to stay out of the back shoulder on quartering away deer and I suspect that is the source of all the conversation about "good hit but no blood" It doesn't take much visible angle to hit that back shoulder.