Well, my 8yr old grandson got his first deer yesterday during our early ML season here in Pennsylvania. He was hunting from a double tree stand with his dad and made a 40yd shot. He was nervous and had a little difficulty with the peep sight as the front bead to him covered a good portion of the deer. So when she turned broadside he fired. The shot was a little high, but I guess the shock was enough to drop it where she stood. To say the kid and my son were ecstatic is an understatement as my grandson had a smile on his face from ear to ear. I guess that light load of 50gr of 777-3F with the 350gr HP bullet was enough to get the job done. Guess I'll never see that 451 White M97 again. Good thing I have two of them. GRIN