I' ve seen a couple P&Y' s in the middle of October. One was a really nice 10 and the other was an awesome 8. Probably around a 23 in. spread with 14 or 15 in. G-1' s and G-2' s that aren' t much smaller. I' ve got some trail cam pics of him now. I also have pics of a couple nice young 8' s that will be shooter next year and young 7 that needs a couple more years. And now I have a 10 ptr with split G-1' s on both sides on film. All I have is a profile view so I' m not sure on what his spread is but from the looks of his thickness he' s a definate shooter. I shot a yearling the first weekend right at dark. Came back the next morning to track and dress it but the yotes beat me too it. I' m gonna go at it hard this last weekend before shotgun. All those buck in the same area has my blood flowing pretty good. Do you go to Buckstop alot?