this is my buddy Robb Thayers deer. he got it opening day of this year. 21" spread, 185 dressed, 12" g2' s, biologist says it was 5-1/2 yrs old and should be 140 class P&Y. he wouldnt let me say EXACTLY where he got it, but lets just say it was within 5 miles of the Albany city limits. What an awesome buck!