Phil, I know you didn't mean anything with your post and I didn't take it that way.

I just wanted to let everyone know I had a great year despite not taking a turkey or 2, thats just how it goes sometimes.

I was hunting birds that were extremely call and decoy shy, they would also either fly down off roost for a few hours first thing in the morning then fly back up on roost around 10am or they just weren't flying down off roost until late in the day. I think they where down for a few hours first thing in the morning and then back up on roost. I bumped a lot of birds off roost from 10am until the 1pm cut off.

So I am going to ask what is the best way to hunt educated turkeys that are call and decoy shy? Just set and hope one walks by or stalk at a very slow pace? I don't really have an answer so I might as well ask now to get an idea.