my buddy and I went together last year and bought a Cabelas 12x17 with 5' sidewalls and aluminum pole frame. we got both on sale for about $1,000. We did too much research and looking though in preparing to purchase it - after season we could have gotten one on ebay for less than half. We bought a Cylinder stove and have not been happy with it even though we over sized it according to mfg. specs. Even if you bank it full and choke down the dampers it burns out in less than 2 hrs. so a good sleeping bag is a must. Still looking for a good solution there - maybe purchasing another stove - the Cylinder design is nice because it is made to be packed in on a horse - We had four of us in the tent this year with no problem.