That's why I said what I did in my "ps" of my above post. Optics ARENT needed on a turkey gun inside of 50yds (unless the shooter has a medical/eye problem that optics would correct). But let me say that it's pretty easy to rig up todays guns to pattern properly at 50yds. But even the smallest bead and essentially ALL of the fiber optic beads are just TO BIG to depend on for reliable killing at distances over 50yds! They just block out to much area, including the ENTIRE head and neck of a turkey. THIS is where the optics come into play. But as I said, they have a downside at more typical ranges of say 20-40yds.

That's why I said I prefer the saddle mounts because they still allow use of the bead for shots inside of 40-50yds. Just like we have rifle rigs for 300+ yd deer hunting, we have turkey rigs for 50-65+yd turkey hunting. There's a tool for every job!