Im with ya. I was hunting a friends farm here in Missouri on Sunday. I heard a grunt, saw horns, then saw him make a rub about 80 yds away. He took a couple steps and snort wheezed. I made a few grunts to no avail. Then I heard him running other deer all over the hillside. When I got down I went to look at the rub and found 2 fresh scrapes about the size of car hoods. First time I witnessed a snort wheeze. Shall I say spectacular.