Sounds like Zim is strictly talking about big bucks, rather than deer numbers, because even in a bad year like it was here in MI this year we still kill a couple hundred thousand or more deer a year and he had it in his "wasteland" comment. We take a number of good bucks down in the southern lower zone 3, but not that many as you go north into zones 2 and 1. It ticked me off when the QDM Association got the DNR to put another 10-12 counties under a 4 point antler restriction up in zone 2 this year where I have property. I can't count points in the areas up there because a lot of it is thick, swampy area awhere you can't see 50 yards, so that restriction is pure BS when it includes private property. I'm lucky to see a buck at all in that heavy cover I hunt and it's not because it's over-hunted. Now they want me to take time to make sure a buck has at least 4 1" points on one side before I pull thetrigger. Of the 40+ bucks we've taken up there since I bought the property way back in 1973 there are probably only a couple spikes that were taken where we knew how many points they had before walking up to them. What really sucks is that now my two deer combo license requires both bucks to have that count on at least one side when in the past a 3" spike qualified. We also haven't had any doe permits up in that area in ages and I have no problem with that because the herd went way down back in the 90s and is still down. If you're a meat hunter, you better go out with your bow up there because that's about the only way you'll put meat in the freezer due to that new regulation.