Ya it was 2 am. I thought they was mule deer to. Iv never seen one up close well never out side of pics in fact till i moved here. They did not look like indiana whitetail. They were smaller shorter and didnt look as long but for the size some of the biggest deer iv seen there bodies and legs where fat. They look like the size of my first doe but i bet the big one had as much meat on it as my big 12 point buck