I hunt on a farm that is fairly secure, but a store bought tree stand would eventually be stolen. It is almost 300 miles from where I live so I don't have time to be setting them up and taking them down. I am over 70, and I don't think a climber is for me. I went to Menards and got some treated 2X4's and a couple of 2X6's and built one. The seat is 13 ft. up and it is chained to the tree. I don't think anyone will go to the trouble of stealing it, too heavy and too far from the road. It is not easy to set up tho, so we just leave it there. I can tell how it is made if anyone wants.