I'm sure I would have been better off with top gun. Look I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers. I wrote that stuff tongue in cheek. I have to admit though I was a little offended by your post but maybe I misunderstood. I don't judge the character of a man by how they like to hunt and you said we were naive and crying about getting cheated. I took offense to that. There were obviously details that I didn't have the time or patience to write. If we would have stayed until we had refund money in our hands we would have probably been into a serious altercation with this guy and someone may have been hurt and we may have been in jail so we hoped he would stick to his word and left. We had some words with this guy as you could imagine. I just hope I help someone and if anyone knows where I can more effectively get the word out about this outfitter pleas let me know. No hard feelings top gun but the way you felt after reading my post is exactly how I felt after reading yours but I just don't take differences in hunting styles that serious any way. Good luck to you all and please warn people when you see they are considering this outfitter.