ok with my bow what would you consider a good group at 20 yards , i was using a bench rest and 40 years of shooting rifles i know how to breath and pull the trigger, im sure its not me that leaves the way im cocking the bow or the arrows. when i first got the rope cocker i marked the string with white out. think when it stops snowing i will double check the marks on the string. im thinking at 20 yards i should be able to put 3 arrows in a bullseye the size of a 50 cent peice. thanks again for your help LOL i wont give up i am determined