I seen one other at a gun show maybe 10 years ago. Seen a custom Kaiser at cabelas in pa about two years ago in 7x61. A local gun shop had a newer model 60 in 308 Norma but they want to much for it. Norma loaded first 160 grain bullets then later changed name to 7x61 super in 154. Grandfather reloaded 160 noslers and 160 gSierra bullets.