During the second rut a few years ago 1st week in December in western NY I saw a couple of bucks chasing a hot doe just B-4 dark. I went back the next morning and waited to see movement and then after about 1/2 hour of not seeing anything I figured I would rattle. I did the first sequence and a doe cam running out of the swamp right in front of me. I looked behind her and didn't see anything then off to the side a nice 8 was legging it right over to the doe. Lights out and the rattling did him in. You never know until you try.