Barnes I dont know, have never fired a 180 from my gun yet (just wait til I return to NM and chase Gilamonsters with it tho!). John Lazzeroni loads a " accuracy load" in 180s that averages in the mid 3400s. He has a 180 " high velocity load" that gets in the upper 3500s (can you say " LIGHTS OUT" Bullwinkle?). I have a good buddy that bought a Savage/Lazzaroni Patriot lastyear and he shot 180s out of it lastseason (I have since gotten him some 130 Xbullets) and that small, light gun kicked MUCH harder than my big Sako. The brake tames my gun, it just is HELLACIOUSLY loud and produces a visible fireball in broad daylight. People ask what I see when I pull the trigger (thinkin it must be stars) but they laugh when I tell them, " Only a bright orange flash like a mushroom cloud, followed by an equally thunderous seismic shake" !!!


RA