The first black powder rifle i started my son and daughter on was my T/C white mountain carbine 50 cal. loaded with 60grs pyrodex and a 200gr speer hollow point bullets with the black sabots. The rifles small size is perfect for small frame kids to start on and it is a very good hunting rifle for anyone. It shoots sabots bullets and full size lead bullets with very good performance. Its one black powder rifle that will never leave my home as long as i breathe.