Never used one. I posted a thread two years ago on this thing and couldn't decided. Now that I'm in my young 30s and sitting on day in the stand cant be brutal in a hang on. I finally coughed up the 300$ to get climber. My plans are going to use it as a semi-permanent stand. ratchet the bottom and with peg screws to climb up to it. Then just lower the top and sit. Anyone else do this? I don't like the fact of carrying this in or out or the noise to do this in the morning and teh danger of climbing up and down in the morning.