Yep I just got back from rampart range rd North and scouted every turnoff from mt herman to 10 miles. I found some spots and going to go camping up there soon to see what is there early AM. called turkeys but no answers. need to get a bugle to see if any elk are moving up and down there. and thanks to all for the help. I just have this feeling I am going to not find crap come season time. I was just walking around and still in the rain guns are going off in the distance. How far back have you had to walk to find the little Bulls?