Murdy the Vortex Crossfire II is getting my consideration. I know Leupold has such a following because you don't have to be the original owner of the product to get great service but I feel some other companies will stand behind their product. Thanks for your pic deerdust I wish Zeiss was an option for me but it's not at this time. Great looking muzzleloding rig though one day I may be tempted to get one.