For those who think a 30-30 is marginal, or unethical. You've never shot an elk with one.

I have decades using a 30-30 on elk, and not one of them went out of sight when shot.

If the only way you can hunt is to glass all day, and take long shots. Then use your magnums like the magazines have brain washed you into believing you need.

A 30-30 is a powerhouse compared to a muzzleloader shooting a round ball, and they take plenty of elk every year.