txhunter that is excellent advice, and its certenly something that I have thought about, I just mainly wanted to know what the majority of the elk fanatics would do! I have just been told by the DOW about the vouchers landowners can register for, but I just found out and from what the landowner has told me about drawing he must not know. So I will have to fill him in. This is in unit 85, one of the best units for producing VERY large bulls. The ranch luckily has high and low elevations. GOOD HUNTING!