The owner of the gun shop where I normally purchase most of my things is also my gunsmith. While I was down there last night I saw he had a bunch of T/C and Lyman Hawkens leaned up against he wall. I believe when I go down there tomorrow I am going to ask him what the deal is with them. Maybe I can pick a couple up for a decent price. Just in case I will take my bore light with me to check them out.