All I am saying is that in my manual there is less that 100 fps difference and the 338-06 uses 16 grains less powder. It says nothing about the weight of the rifles and I only checked the 250 grain bullet. The manual says there is a substancial difference in the recoil of the two rifles with the 338-06 having less. I have never tested the rifles side by side and I have only owned and fired the 338 Win Mag. Niether I nor my friend Newton can prove or disprove the writings in the Hodgdon manual. Besides this I can see not how it effects the fact that the originator of this thread would like to see the 338-06 become more available. Thats his wish and I for one would also like to see that happen. I will never buy another 338 Win Mag but may purchase a Encore barrel in that caliber. On the other hand I feel the 30-06 loaded with the 250 grain Barnes Original will also do the same job as either of the other rifles mentioned. It can be loaded to about 2400 fps and has a very high sectional density. Extreme penetration.