If you can stand the recoil from them just wait untill you hit a deer with one, if you haven't already. I shoot them with 83 grains fff goex out of a Thompson Center Hawkins and have taken deer out to 75 yards with them. They have never failed to make a clean kill. If the deer does not drop in it's tracks it will certainly leave a very good blood trail for you to follow. It's just an awsome chunk of lead. With the shortage of pistol bullets around here, I might be forced to go back to bruising my shoulder with them. I have plenty of them and they are still easy to get.