call me crazy but i argued w/ a friend, he shot a huge illinois buck last year, paid for the hunt during the rut, actually choked and got lucky, hit the leg and the arrow split and went up into a lung, ran a mile and a half and the coyotes dragged him down and killed him and ate the hind quarters, besides that he' s never taken a great buck here in ny w/ the bow, and i talked to him the other day and now he' s this " I ONLY SHOOT POPE AND YOUNG BUCKS" ! JERK!!!!! he shot a 9 pter 2 years ago here, hit it in the neck, another choke,,, and said i was leading it!! has a big 8 on his wall w/ the rifle and i was told someone else shot it first and he tracked it in the snow and killed it so i quess he' s a cheating bastard, now hw pays to go! he wants me to go and i always say i have 150' s running aroung here why would i pay to go there??? plus when i have my wallhanger i will have earned it, ive been hunting this bow only zone for 6 years and shot one 5 pointer 1-1/2 yr old, have seen an nice 8 but no shot, walking,,,, and some monsters but never in the stand and close enough but studying and hard work will pay off! im sure its nice to go where you grunt and 8 bucks w/ 10pts run right up to you like these tv shows on farms in texas but when i get my all natural homegrown on my land slammer i will be proud, alot more then a cocky poacher who puts corn piles in his yard and shoots turkeys and deer out of his truck!!!!! and chokes when in the stand!