Still trying to get my daughter her first one. She is 17 so time is running out. We had a chance when she was 11 but she was looking over the bead (so I thought) and I was helping her "aim" her .410. The bird was under 10 yards standing next to a pine log. The log took the whole load. We were able to reload and could have shot a second time with the bird still under 20 yards but she had gotten too nervous by then.

Good luck.