I stopped buying their stuff a few years ago after my grandfather had a bad experience with them trying to get some repairs done on a scope he had probably bought 30 years earlier (my grandfather still had the original box and warranty card...LOL)...they never did make it right. I know their older stuff is well made, and I have a couple of their old (70's/80's) scopes and they are good stuff....but I won't buy any of their new stuff anymore...I think they have simply failed to keep up yet they keep increasing their price point. You can do better for less now days as technology and competition has increased.