by the way i am not really planning on long range shooting for myself but just wanted to cover the bases in case the opprotunity presented itself. the other guys in camp indicated they had hunted with this outfitter for sometime and had not shot past 300 once they got setup for longer ranges. maybe i am worrying to much about this 400 plus range. i still feel like i need to get at least close to 1" groups at 100 yds and so far the best i have done is 1 1/2" with the tsx and the more i read about them they could be a problem with expansion at longer ranges.