Originally Posted by 14 ga

you guy's are making too big a deal out of your loads and chokes. spend more time on learning how to hunt, like maybe getting closer to the birds. if you get your bird to well under 40 yards, then most anything will work, go with smaller shot and greater density. the last 10 or so birds i have taken, including 3 this winter have been with my 14 ga. antique muzzle loader with cyl. bore. i use a mix of 6's and 7.5's copper, with a mag. slit shot cup and really flop em' out to 30 yards, have yet to have a bird get up.

cheers