Neither picture, especially the small one, is really good enough to make a decent guess. I also don't believe anybody is insulting anybody else. That's the whole problem when somebody comes on a forum asking for guesses because that's exactly what it is when you can't put your hands on the rack. I also stated in an associated thread how hard it is to come up with a close score since all you have to be off is an inch on each measurement, which is easy to do just looking at a picture, and you've missed by 15" plus or minus. One or two guys on this thread have put a range of 15", which maybe I should have done too. I could have said 140-155 and would probably be in the ballpark, which is actually the verbiage the OP used to begin with. So what if we are wrong, as it's a guessing game when you look at a picture. You guessed his bases at 4" and I think they will go 5" or a little more based on a mulie that I have that's about the same and he's 5 1/4" by actual measurement!