In the sagebrush 300 to 600 yd shots are the norm not the exception!! It depends on where he is going to hunt, and to throw out a blanket statment to just find a differrent outfitter is not the answer! All elk are not found in the high timber, where a shot over 200 yds would be a long one, here in the desert it's kinda like huntin antlope no place to hide, and if ya crawl it's through a bunch of catus! I don't care what you say no guides gonns get you in real close on flat ground with no cover!!!!!