I have killed just as many still hunting as i have running dogs. I grew up hunting with dogs since i was 8 with my dad and family. So its been apart of me since then and i cont' it today and always will and i have my 8yr old son hunting with me now and he actually just killed his first deer ever sat. morning with me while we were running dogs. He killed her with his .410 on his first shot ever at a deer. I dont care who you are that was simply amazing and im proud as he** that he did that. He also enjoys still hunting with me and i have bought him a crossbow for christmas and that will be his still hunting toy for next year