RR---I already stated that I don't go below my .243 on deer and that covers 60 years of hunting, so I don't know why you even made that last post referring to me with that redundant question. I really could care less how many deer you've shot with a .223 because the fact is that the caliber was not designed with the ft/lbs of energy generally mentioned for deer hunting. You even stated in your post that "it's not the best, but adequate" and that's basically what I'm saying when you can go with bigger calibers that are designed for the job! It's sort of like your long distance shooting just to show yourself it can be done and telling others how great you are at it when all it is doing is increasing the chances of a miss or, even worse, a wounding shot. As far as a couple people relating arrows to centerfire calibers and saying that they kill the same way shows they know absolutely nothing about what they are discussing!