thanks guys! he is a old smart lad.. gotta be about 6years old or more.. been on this prop since Nov 11th 2007, and back then he was "you gotta get the big 8pnt" took me till last year to actually see him.. he aint no fool. the snort i heard it was deff him heard it last year 3/4times and as soon as i heard it knew it was him. thought of ground blind.. but would have to trim like thousands of dead branches to get a shooting area and he would notice that for sure. sat in a cedar tree saturday afternoon. just 60-80yrds away from oak tree the prev time. heard him snort. at dark.. not sure if he is nervous or testing that spot. he did that last year. was 10-15yrds away from me and had the small 4pnt he was traveling with in late dec walk right under me..but he would not..no sounds nothing.. he spooked 6th sense?? but i sat in diff stand the next time and when he got to the same area he snorted like he was testing/bluffing.. I guess my only course of action is no action and wait for him to make a error while trying not to make any error myself..