Well I found a pro shop that would let me sit in the stands. Sit in a Titan and a Ol' man don't remember the model. Sit in the lone wolf sit and climb and really liked it but just don't have the money. After all is said and done I bought the Titan off ebay for $274.99tyd. Saved about $50 off retail. Thanks for the advise. I am the only one that deer hunts in my family and turn to you guys for advise a lot of the time.