theres a plile of thompson center flintlock hawkens(on gunbroker.com) from 199.00 to 450.00 a renadage 54 for 350(i realy like renagades they fit me better than a hawkens)theres a penn hunter for a fair price too............I'm not sure why but the lymans are much harder to find used either tc made a crapload of sidelocks or people love the lymans and keep them....i've shot my buddys great plains and its a nice gun