I have always been a Remington shotgun kind of guy... Grew up with the 8-70 20 gauge youth model then upgraded to the 11-87, so it's only natural I would buy the versamax when I chose to upgrade. Instead I bought the super black eagle 2 because it was lighter, slimmer, has lighter recoil, and the sbe 2 is supposedly the fastest cycling shotgun on market. After two weeks of moderate hunting the gun did NOT live up to expectations... The MAX 4 cammo started wearing off after a couple days of road hunting... I wasn't even using it very hard... During this time the butt stock recoil pad fell off. The last beef I have with my $1500 shotgun is that the slide has to be perfectly in place for weapon to fire. This has cost me ducks four different times in the last two weeks, I live in Alaska and run into bears all the time while duck hunting, I want my shotgun working 100% of the time. The gun is unreliable and very cheaply made for the money I wouldn't suggest it for anyone... Not happy...should have stuck with Remington...