As for the story on my bow kill, two young does eased through some thick junk...I took a good look with the binos to be certain they weren't buttons while they were still fairly concealed in the undergrowth. As soon as the lead doe stepped out of the stuff, I double-lunged her at 26 yards. Clipped the top of the heart as well. Ran about 35 yards, stood there for a minute, and crumpled. Gotta love it!