I used to hunt with a bunch who were lousey shots, but had access to allot of woods that I didnt. I was sorta new in town and started pushing small sections with them. Out of all the deer we killed, I think I killed 3/4 of them, and most of my shots were hard hits, dropping the deer in pretty close. Many of the rest of the bunch would wing them, but we always recovered them, even if it was hit in a lower leg. Its a neet little trick, and involves knowing your area. If there is a bad hit, dont pressure the deer, just wait untill a couple of guys set up down the way the deer is moving. Then one guy goes in to follow, and stay on the radio in case they need to adjust. I dont hunt with those idiots any more, but It was an effective trick i learned from them. I also like using my St. Bernard to find deer even if I know where it fell. He loves finding dead deer for me! I stick one, and go home and get the dog, when he sees me in my hunting clothes, he knows what we are doing.