Northjeff, that was a very informative peice of info, id like to read your book but im short on cash this week maybe next. my dad has a drum that holds like 30 gallons, im going to half it and wash it and use it. ive been working very hard over the last few years with my brothers and my dad to hold deer on our small peice of land. i have never killed a deer because im a college student and cant pay dues yet. over the last few years ive been planting food plots setting up mineral licks and watching deer come in at night. this year ive got tracks every where, new ones evry day, and my salt licks are getting tore up. and i jumped a little one while plowing a road the other day so im hopeful that this year i will get on. the watter cant hurt